Kel-Tec P-11 15rnd Mags And Grip Extensions




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Dale Haske: Are those magazines the S&W 5900 series? because I looked on MEC-GAR website and did not find Kel Tec, and I think its the S&W 5900 mags that fit the P11 right?

Andre Stinnett: Do you think this will fit in the sccy cpx 2?

M-85: @doodthisguysawesome any S&W 59 mag will work in the gun

illogicalmethod: @gboyd242 Of the other problem, that being the heavier trigger pull(won't lighten it, will just make it smoother and easier to pull that 8 lbs trigger). Personally, I widened the hole the trigger goes through on the grip and glued the trigger shoe on, because with just the two set screws, it'll eventually work its way off.

illogicalmethod: @gboyd242 Without heavier springs to absorb the recoil, I doubt the slight weight added by the steel reduces any felt recoil or muzzle rise. However, increasing the grip surface on the gun and adding padding(finger extensions on the flush fit magazines and hogue handall jr grips(yes you can make them fit)) will reduce the harsh felt recoil. Polishing the trigger bar so it's a bit more smooth and throwing a trigger shoe on will take care...

illogicalmethod: @gboyd242 We do shoot our guns a lot... However, the problems with the steel guide rods is that the wear and tear problems that have been documented about them, have started at 200 rounds. Not 2,000 rounds, but 200(maybe even less). As far as that last bit, I have no choice but to let him, because he's a big boy. I just think it's a good idea to let someone know that the cons far outweigh the pros in their actions.

illogicalmethod: @xxxM85xxx ... I meant to say last message: "No one's had the polymer guide rod fail on them, however, plenty of people have had their guns fail due to problems caused with the steel guide rod".

illogicalmethod: @gboyd242 The 20lbs spring will cut down on felt recoil, lessening the snap. Regular target ammo will function in it just fine. I know you were asking him, but I have the 20lbs spring as well.

illogicalmethod: @xxxM85xxx They make and sell it because that's what manufacturers do, they make and sell things because of customer demand, not necessarily because it's good, or even necessary. Just that the pro's(more money for them, customer appreciation), outweigh the cons(those customers guns will wear out faster and they will eventually complain). No one's had the polymer guide rod fail on them, however, plenty of people have had their guns fail due to problems caused with the guide rod.

gboyd242: @xxxM85xxx Interesting. That's a really strong spring for a 9mm. Does that still function ok with regular target ammo?

M-85: @gboyd242 I put the wolf 20lb spring on the gun and just feel better with steel rod. I didn't like that I could easily bend the plastic one with my finger. The rod cant be that bad or KT wouldn't make and sell it.

gboyd242: Also, you said there's no benefit but the steel rod would be heavier, putting more weight toward the muzzle and causing less muzzle rise and perceived while firing.

gboyd242: @illogicalmethod Impressive dissertation. I understand what's going with the gun. I have a polymer guide rod. I guess it really comes down to are you going to shoot the gun a lot. Those guys on KTOG shot their kel-tecs A LOT (as I do with my su-16) and some try to push things to their limits. I don't think M85 here is really going to shoot the gun a whole lot so if he is more comfortable with trusting his life to a steel guide rod, I think I'll let him.

illogicalmethod: @gboyd242 One last tid-bit. Kel-Tec themselves, will warn you against the steel guide rod for the p11. If you need links and evidence as to what I'm saying, I'll be more than glad to provide you with the necessary information via p.m. just let me know.

illogicalmethod: @gboyd242 The guide rod was created for the p40, which has a slightly longer slide. As for putting a buffer in. Why would you do ANYTHING which can cause excessive wear to your gun and then try and fix it after, with a buffer? That makes no sense. There's no good reason to install a steel guide rod, you don't get any benefit from it and it's fairly easy to see that there are some problems caused by it.

illogicalmethod: @gboyd242 One contact point being at the front of the barrel and near the front of the guide rod. The other, being the back of the barrel and the back of the guide rod. More than a few people have documented the flat spots on the guide rod from the impacts. They've also documented the damage and wear to the area where the metal guide rod comes into contact with the frame. KTOG members will recommend against the steel guide rod in the p11 and we do that for a reason.

illogicalmethod: @gboyd242 Right, can't be wrong, can you? "Yes, saying the guide rod doesn't contact the frame was wrong. I meant it doesn't have any movement against it, as it does with the slide." Basic physics, yes, it does, in fact, have movement against it. Every time the slide slams back, it drives the guide rod into the frame. No, it's not just going to be the pressure of the spring pushing it and as I said in the previous point, the steel guide rod comes into contact with the barrel at 2 points

gboyd242: @illogicalmethod "Anyone who's ever used a steel guide rod" huh? I'm sure that's true. Yes, saying the guide rod doesn't "contact" the frame was wrong. I meant it doesn't have any movement against it, as it does with the slide. The simple pressure of the spring pushing against the aluminum internal frame is not going to hurt anything unless you're shooting a lot of really hot rounds in which case you could just put a buffer in.

illogicalmethod: @gboyd242 ... to the hole that the guide rod goes through in the slide, during cycling.

illogicalmethod: @gboyd242 ... the barrel will be loose and can fall back into the gun, while the guide rod will come out in front of the gun. Now, as for the "steel slide and the metal guide rod"= not going to harm anything. Did we skip science class? Friction my friend, plenty of users have installed the steel guide rod on the p11 to find that the steel guide rod was coming into contact with their barrel at 2 points during cycling, and both pieces were taking a pounding. In addition, they found damage...
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